What do the children see?
By Lisa Morford
1.) Have you ever met Mike Peters or any of his lieutenants?
Yes
2.) Have you ever lived in Indianapolis or at a branch of their church?
Yes. When I was six years old, my family relocated to Indianapolis, IN to become
a part of "the church in Indianapolis" led by Mike Peters.
3.) How long have you submitted to Mike Peters teachings?
We were involved with the group in Indianapolis for about 6 years. Although, after
4 years we were "disfellowshipped". During this time we lived in Kentucky, however
my family was still in close contact with the "members". There were people we became
close to in Kentucky who tried to tell my parents that they were involved in a cult,
but of course when you ARE involved in a cult, that is the last thing you want to
hear. After about a year in Kentucky, we ended up moving to Phoenix, AZ(only with
Mike Peters' approval, of course) with a group of other members who had been "disfellowshipped";
it was a "second chance" type of thing. After about six months in this Phoenix group,
we were excommunicated again, only this time for good. My parents had finally admitted
to themselves that what they were involved in was indeed a cult, and they no longer
wanted any part in it.
4.) What is the strangest thing you have witnessed in their group?
The strangest this I witnessed was the intense fear of the "outside" world. Women
don't walk alone for fear of being "attacked" or "raped" or "kidnapped" or who knows
what else. Women don't go to the grocery store by themselves; they are required
to have a male escort and they also go in groups. This group shelters themselves
from the outside world as if it were diseased; there is no such thing as just kicking
back and enjoying the life God gave you. I remember the first time we were kicked
out and my parents talked about looking for a church...my brothers and I were terrified
because "church was bad" and "of Satan" and stuff like that.There is just so much
fear in everything that you do.
5.) What is the most destructive action you have witnessed?
There were a lot of actions that could be considered destructive. But the problem
is that most of itis psychological and really hard to pinpoint with exact accuracy.
Everything there, every kind of damage, is done in such a subtle way that it's sometimes
hard to realize what is happening. And I guess that's the point--it's the mind control
that is the most destructive action. It permeates the kids too...don't think for
a minute that it doesn't! They mimic the actions of the parents...I remember there
was this time where a friend of mine got this really cool doll and I was admiring
the doll and saying how I would like to be able to get one someday. One of my little
friends looked at me and said "Hey, you really need to not be jealous. I think you
need to ask God to forgive you." There is an emphasis on NOT doing wrong.. instead
of just living to please God. Everything is about sin, sin, sin....you are in a
constant state of confessing every little sin(not to say that any sin is little
or to be taken lightly.) But even a bad attitude would require a public confession,
when really you could just get on your knees before Christ and ask him to forgive
the attitude of your heart.
Actually that's kind of funny because I think as a young kid I always realized that
something was different...like I kind of knew that I had to pretend to be really
spiritual if I wanted to be accepted. I never fully realized that there was a "real
world"...although they do instill this intense fear of the outside world in you.
I remember the first time we were kicked out and my parents talked about looking
for a church...my brothers and I were terrified because "church was bad"...stuff
like that. But I do remember even as a kid I got a bad feeling from Mike Peters...there
was this one instance where I was walking from the car on the sidewalk on the way
to our apartment. I passed Mike Peters and he looked at me with this creepy(almost
dilusional) smile and reached his hand out to me. Tentatively, I reached mine out
to him and he squeezed it and kept walking. I remember even though I was only like
10 I was totally creeped out! It was hard to put into words...but it was almost
like in some weird way, he thought he was Jesus! I mean he would never ever say
that...but it was a "let the little children come to me" kind of moment. I don't
know, it's just really hard to explain. But I do remember that even the kids kind
of idolize Mike Peters...even the kids know that they aren't to go against his words.
His word just always goes. It's unquestioned. And they discipline kids constantly.
It's INSANE. For EVERY LITTLE THING. There were days when we'd get spanked like
every ten minutes...not because my mom wanted to but because she felt that she had
to in order to not get judged by all the other moms. It's really out of control...the
focus on the negative. They took me and my siblings to stay with them for a few
weeks(during the first time we were kicked out) so that my parents could take care
of some things(even though my mom was against it, she was just too scared of them
to tell them not to take us). Anyway, during our time there, my little sister was
apparently being "disobedient" and "obstinate"(she was three, ok)...and she ended
up getting spanked for pretty close to an house straight. When we went back home,
her rear end was BLACK. Literally. My mom was so angry and disheartened...but when
she said something they told her "You really need to work on your daughter's heart
because she is really an obstinate and rebellious child." As apparent here, they
really believe in disciplining each other's children; if you babysit someone else's
child you automatically have the right to spank them yourself, for whatever you
feel deserves a spanking. I could go on and on! There is just SO MUCH.
6.) What are the normal people like on the "inside"?
Normal people. Well, there are those who are "leaders" and for some reason they
always seem stern and almost like they are looking down their noses at you. Those
are the "watchdogs"; the people who are watching to make sure everyone is conducting
themselves "properly" within the group. Then there are the regular, middle people
who are trying to work their way up within the "ranks". These people follow blindly,
always on a quest to make themselves more spiritual so that they will be accepted
by the group, the leaders, then Mike Peters; and only then will they feel that they
have been accepted by God. These people will defend the group's "honor" to the death;
when concerned family members question the groups integrity or even sneak the word
"cult" in here and there, these people will defend the group determinedly, even
when it doesn't make any sense. And in the worst case scenario, they cut off all
ties to their extended family or friends who aren't in complete agreement with the
group.
7.) Are there others that you know that probably will leave or need help getting
out?
getting out? I believe that everyone needs help getting out. There have been those
who have left throughout the years(usually due to being kicked out or as they like
to call it "disfellowshipped") and they usually need a lot of time and love to heal
the damage that was done to their spirit due to their time spent in the group. By
now pretty much everyone there has been there for at least a decade, if not longer.
And once they have you in their grip, it is extremely hard to release yourself from
it. Either you are too scared to question them, or you are so blinded by their lies
that you truly do believe they are right. I do know that there are probably several
husbands who would like to leave but stay because their wives are so wrapped up
in it all.And those who are still willingly there, if they ever do get out, will
need a lot of love and patience before they are able to see clearly again.
8.) What would you say to the members that are still trapped in the cult?
I would say, to look past the lie that is Mike Peters. Look in the Bible to see
if it says anywhere, "Thou shalt obey My word through Mike Peters," (or any other
man for that matter). Really listen to Mike's words; pay attention to how often
he will contradict himself and sometimes talk on and on without saying anything
at all. Double check the scriptures he quotes for yourself; see how often he takes
things out of context. Attempt to know God for yourself; good relationships with
other believers IS important, but don't let those relationships replace your own
relationship with God.
9.) Free form comments
I just have a couple of things that I would like to say to the anyone who is searching
for truth or answers regarding the so called "church" in Indianapolis. First of
all, keep this in mind when visiting the allathisfeet.com website or any of the
other Indy related sites or materials:
"13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as
apostles of Christ. 14No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of
light. 15Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves
as servants of righeousness, whose end will be according to their deeds."
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 NAS
Their websites say all the right things, people. To the Christian who is looking
for more than just the sometimes empty, Sunday to Sunday relationship with Jesus
Christ, their websites and teachings offer hope that there may be something better
out there. But:
15Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly
are ravenous wolves. 16You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered
from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17So every good tree bears good
fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot produe bad fruit,
nor can a bad tree produce good fruit." Matthew 7:15-18 NAS
On the outside, they look like they are just trying to live a Biblically-outlined
life. But look at their fruit, guys. There are pages and pages on Factnet and here
on this very website of the fruit that is produced by this group. Decide for yourselves
whether it is good, or whether it is bad.