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"baxter"
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I found Michael H apparently posted a brief (on Jake's part) dialogue he had with someone who had a question about how to live out Mike's "a HUNDRED mothers brothers and sisters." doctrine.
*shudder*
No divorces there in 25 years. But he doesn't discuss the NUMEROUS people that they have exiled over the years whose marriages didn't weather the storm caused by the coercive tactics, manipulations, brainwashing, etc. The many wives who treat their husbands like their worst enemies and show contempt and disgust at their very existence. Besides the ones that are exiled, he has women living there now who don't respect their husbands because they don't see Mike as their "god" as the women do.
People need to be "free" to sin. God has allowed us to be free to sin in order that He can be glorified by our obedience. It isn't so there in Mike's little kingdom. If they don't have wayward teens, it's because they are trapped inside a world where there are no exits. They don't have any freedoms to be tested. They are in compliance as they have witnessed what happens when one is deemed (whether there is any biblical merit to it or not) an infidel.
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Reply »|Report Abuse|Judge it!|#26Jan 12, 2009
Hi Jake :) Yes, Jesus did teach (not us :)) some very powerful things
about "first birth" and "second birth" and "THESE are my mother
brothers sister" and "to the CONTRARY, blessed is he that"... and "a
HUNDRED mothers brothers and sisters." So, when the SECOND birth is
given the priority by the Maker of Life and Savior of souls, it's
pretty important that we embrace what HE said about it, and also
respond, of course, to lukewarmness and love of the world the way HE
does, if we are actually connected to the Head. I'm sure you know your
Bible well enough to know those Verses, even if you haven't actually
witnessed Acts 2:26-47 Jesus-Life yet.
Now, having said that, OF COURSE to be "worse than an infidel" by not
caring with ultimate responsibility for wife and offspring is NOT what
Jesus advocated. But, the Bible doesn't offer us "either-or" choices.
GOD wants BOTH because He SAID both.:)
Frankly, if we do it JESUS' WAY, we've actually had ZERO divorces in
25 years, though the religious world's statistical average means we
"should" have had TWENTY or THIRTY or more divorces. And, likewise
with the "christian youth group" average in the church world of losing
"75%" (according to Barna and Graham and Promise Keepers and other
researchers). Doing it GOD'S way ("a hundred mothers brothers sisters"
AND not being "worse than an infidel") results in 95% fewer "teen
tragedies" than christendom ADMITS to on average.
All of that to say, as JESUS did (not us :))-- "Seek FIRST the
Kingdom, and all these things shall be added to you as well." God's
ways are amazing, though they will (as the Rich Young Ruler and the
Pearl Merchant discovered) cost you EVERYTHING.:)
http://books.allathisfeet.com/organic_church_...
It's a great question, honestly. I just think you would LOVE to have
Ruth and Esther and Priscilla and Mary and Mary and Mary all involved
with your wife and your marriage and your children every day, as well
as Paul and Peter and John and David and Moses and Fred and Apollos
and Daniel and Oscar involved in your life and marriage and children
every day. Eph.4:11-17 isn't about SERMONS, it's about relationships.
Acts 2:42-47, 1Cor.12, Heb.3:13... SO many things ignored by
Christendom, thinking it won't matter. But, the benefits of those
relationships listed in Eph.4:11-17, Heb.3:12-14, 1Cor.12 etc are
STAGGERING. How could THAT list not help your marriage and child-
rearing?:) Much more could be said, but there's a start.:)
Grace and Kindness to you in the Lamb,
-mike, with the church here
www.AllAtHisFeet.com
www.HouseChurch.com
www.HisEmptyGrave.com
www.RevolutionDancing.com
On Oct 3, 2008, at 6:33 AM, Jake Siemens wrote:
Hello,
Just a question concerning blood families. I realize you teach that we
have all been adopted into Kingdom of God and he is our Father and as
Jesus said we now have 100 brother, sisters, mothers and lands. My
question is how do you live this out in practicality? Being together
as much as you are, where do you find time to love your wife as
Christ loved the church? What about keeping the heart of your own
children if now instead of 3 children I have about 60 along with every
other father in our congregation. I am being very challenged and
blessed reading many of the books on your site and listening to many
of the teachings but I haven't seen this addressed very specifically
yet. It seems to me that God does put more emphasis on my relationship
with my one flesh wife and our own offspring?
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
For His Names Sake,
Bro Jake Siemens
For His Names Sake,
Bro Jake Siemens
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You are accurate in your account of Mike P. and how he justifies the "zero" divorce and almost no "teen" issues. The fact is that there have been many divorces over the years involving marriages within the cult there in Indy. What Mike does though to cover this fact is they will either send away the couple to live in another city although they may actually already be split up but not yet legally divorced, or if they are not yet split up-their marriage is already a shambles with little hope of reconciliation...or they will say that the "married" couple (usually meaining one spouse or the other) was never "really" part of the "church" there.
This is not to mention the numerous "marriages" living there in Indy to this day that although they are still "legally" married, the spouses have next to no personal relationship whatsoever! Usually it's the husband who is ostracized and "kept at a distance" and treated as an outcast in his own family. Most stay because they fear if they leave they will no longer have any contact with their children---which is an accurate judgement. Others stay because they know by leaving they will be viewed and treated as though they are leaving Jesus himself. No one who has ever left the "church" to my knowlede has been treated otherwise. So they know, that although their present situation is quite miserable, the thought of going through the additional judgement, condemnation and further seperation from their children does not bring much consoltion.
Also, concerning Mike's statements about nobody ever leaving the "church" there...this too is absolutely absurd! Many---MANY people have left there on their own accord for reasons too numerous to mention. But let me summarize by saying that there were many people who left simply because they saw the blatent discrepancies such as Mike's dual set of standards---one for Mike to live by and one for everyone else to live by.
I myself witnessed several people and families make it known they were leaving the "church" and then within a day or two they would recieve a letter detailing why they were being "asked to leave". This was just another way for Mike to "save face" and save his "perfect record"...as if that matters at all anyway. Who cares at all about your record Mike? Who is receiving the glory in these statements of "zero" divorce? Jesus certainly never made any bogus claims like that!
There is no question Mike's pride and arrogance often got...and continues to get in his way of making sound judgements.
Besides...who makes such arrogant and bogus claims to begin with? Is the point supposed to be "look at us and how "Jesus like" we are that no one here ever gets divorced, leaves here, and oh by the way our teens are nearly perfect too?" It seems to me the focus has become the group and their "methods" instead of Jesus himself.
Anyway, just wanted to chime in and say you are right in your assessment Baxter! |
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Barry to RealPeople
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I just read some information about this website on FactNet that is quite negative.
JesusLifeTogether to me
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Hi Barry.... read THESE, and then you decide. Your call. Of course. :) Love in Christ, Andy, Tim, Kevin
http://www.jesuslifetogether.com/enter-at-your-own-risk
http://www.revolutiondancing.com/
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On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Barry wrote:
I just read some information about this website on FactNet that is quite negative.
Barry to JesusLifeToget.
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Andy, Tim, Kevin, here is what I saw. Is there a direct response to this information. This is one side I am sure there has to be another.
http://www.indianapoliscult.com/AllatMikesfeet/FactnetList_about_Indianapolis.pdf
JesusLifeTogether to me
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Hi Barry -- it's a bunch of lies by people kicked out for immorality, theft, spouse abuse, drug abuse and other things, trying to get revenge. You can believe whatever you would like, of course. Follow those guys home and you'll find TERRIBLE fruit and filth in their lives, and then you would know for sure. But, we're very involved with wonderful folks in 130+ countries and not interested in arguing with a small handful of folks, lying about their identities and the documented reasons they were booted out, most many, many years ago for their wickedness. We're not trying to sell you or anyone anything, so there's no reason to discuss it. Time to move on. - Dave
Barry to robertzjenkins, RealPeople
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This guy sounds angry and tainted by hurt so I will not bother him anymore. But could you answer my questons or concerns?
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From: JesusLifeTogether <RealPeople@jesuslifetogether.com>
Date: Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:56 PM
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To: Barry
On Jan 29, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Michael Peters wrote:
typo corrected
On Jan 29, 2010, at 12:38 PM, JesusLifeTogether wrote:
Hi Barry, what would be the "purpose" of discussing the lies towards us of wife abusers and mentally ill and those who steal money through bank fraud, and the other things these guys have done without repentance? ("Mentally ill" medically describes three of the handful, maybe more, but one was even institutionalized in an assylum many years before we met him -- and then we tried to help him with his addiction to prostitutes, at his request.) How would that help you or anyone else for us to get into any of this, except for "curiosity" purposes? It doesn't seem like, on our end, that airing their dirty laundry and revealing specifics of their heinous crimes when we've tried to remain silent as much as possible in order to protect them regardless of their hate-crimes would serve any good purpose. And why would we want to spend time defending ourselves against such as this little club -- what Godly purpose would that serve? How could that help you or anyone to spill their dirty laundry? They have enough trouble in their lives, as evidenced by the fact that after giving many of them tens of thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours trying to help them in their lives, we finally had to to kick them out due to their crimes against God and man and even against children. We can only do what we can do, and then they have to work it out between them and God and others. We're NOT a social welfare organization, or even an organization at all. So, as friends helping friends and others, we do that best we can. No one can take the place of the Holy Spirit. Life is short. www.RevolutionDancing.com is very important to grasp -- There can be NO fellowship if a person doesn't WANT to love Jesus with all their heart. They're on their own if they're determined after years of help to love with world and their own flesh and sins and lies in the workplace or to their families or banks or whomever. You know. No one can take the place of the Holy Spirit. So, back to the point -- why would it help anything in any way to air their dirty laundry, or defend ourselves? We have PLENTY to do in helping folks in Haiti, Myanmar, and Birmingham, and 100 other places -- without trying to hurt the slanderers or defend ourselves.....
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 2:08 AM, Michael Peters <mike@hisfeet.org> wrote:
By the way, probably 50% or more of those we have had to break fellowship with over the last quarter of a century are NOT hateful... Here is a note for example, TODAY, 15 minutes ago or so, from someone we had to disfellowship. Doesn't sound too hateful, do they? :)
Hello mike, I read this out of an older version of The Living Bible, it is Paul's "intro" in his letter to Philemon. As I read the very first part I thot of you and "inserted" your name for Philemon's and smiled. (I know I can also insert a long "list" of many other names of precious ones as well. I have much regret and tears for not seeing and appreciating in the midst, but...)
"I always thank God when I am praying for you dear (Mike...), because I keep hearing of your love and trust in the Lord Jesus and in his people. And I pray that as you share your faith with others it will grip their lives too, as they see the wealth of good things in you that come from Christ Jesus. I myself have gained much joy and comfort from your love, my brother, because your kindness has so often refreshed the hearts of God's people."--love to you,
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
Okay, time to end the discussion about all of this as far as I can tell. May Father be with your spirit in Holiness and Love, Barry.... -mike
Barry to Michael
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boy they were right about u. you win the prize for most narcisstic and arrogant. No reflection of Christ is this email at all.
Michael Peters to me
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Hi Barry.... It's okay that you think that. I imagine I could send that to 1000 other we know and they wouldn't think it is sarcastic at all, just uncompromising. So, "to each his own" and since those homosexuals and wife beaters are the ones offering the outright lies and slander, being straightforward is the only choice for us. If that's not what you wanted to hear, that's fine, and we wish the best for you, of course. :)
Do you feel like this below is "arrogant" too? This too is the kind of thing that the homosexuals and wifebeater religious experts HATE: |
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Hello Barry,
This group has practiced harsh, judgmental, and critical ways for so long and have been living such isolated lives that they don't even know what AGAPE looks or sounds like. As you can see, their words pretty much speak for themselves. About being busy with other countries...they get a few pictures or interactions and blow things up to make it look like they are this important help to the children of God. For such an awe inspiring group...you'd think after 20+ years there would be more links to them, you'd think...
http://www.google.com/search?as_lq=www.allathisfeet.com&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=link:revolutiondancing.com&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=link:jesuslifetogether.com&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=link:butyouwouldnot.org&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
Compare their link results with such well known and "in the light" believers such as John McArthur just for starters...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=link:gty.org&start=0&sa=N
Also, if you do a google search on their sites...the only ones promoting them is themselves, and the few sites out there like this one that try to warn someone about them, oh, and some "about" type sites, with VERY few sprinkles of miscellaneous here or there.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jesuslifetogether&start=10&sa=N
AND, wouldn't you think that with all the web pages by different names they have out there...there would be a lot more linking to them if they were as beneficial as they let on?
to name just a few...
www.allathisfeet.com
www.revolutiondancing.com
www.needanexit.com
www.housechurch.com
www.indianapoliscult.org
www.jesuslifetogether.com
www.homechurchmovement.com/
www.godthots.com/
www.hisemptygrave.com/
www.hiswounds.com/
www.ekklesialife.com/
www.ekklesiachurchlife.com/
www.realglobalwarming.com/
"baxter"
beware of http://www.jesuslifetogether.com
http://www.allathisfeet.com
http://www.revolutiondancing.com
http://www.hisemptygrave.com
http://www.heavenreigns.com
http://www.godthots.com
http://www.housechurch.com
http://www.hiswounds.com/
http://www.ekklesialife.com/
http://www.ekklesiachurchlife.com/
http://www.realglobalwarming.com/
http://www.homechurchmovement.com/
http://www.indianapoliscult.org
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In addition to my above info regarding how Mike and company is always trying to make it appear like they are VERY involved with 1000's of people from all over the world...it is often verbally acknowledged as you will see from these quotes from Barry's post...
"But, we're very involved with wonderful folks in 130+ countries"
"We have PLENTY to do in helping folks in Haiti, Myanmar, and Birmingham, and 100 other places -- without trying to hurt the slanderers or defend ourselves....."
"Hi Barry.... It's okay that you think that. I imagine I could send that to 1000 other we know and they wouldn't think it is sarcastic at all, just uncompromising."
You will find the same type of language of self-promoting on their sites. Not the sort of self-promoting where they want you to think they are trying to recruit you...but their involvement with people all over the world. That involvement may have been an email here of there and in some cases, a little more...but it's usually short lived in my experience.
Also, in regard to the letter that he alledgedly got from a former member who was "kicked out"...many times the people that leave are devastated and still feel an adherence to the group and to Mike Peters. Remember, when you are in a cult...you feel like to leave them is to leave God. You don't see it as a cult if there is a chance of you getting back in "God's good graces". But for many, it's been very difficult to put their lives back together. Notice the subtle self-degradation in that person's response...
"As I read the very first part I thot of you and "inserted" your name for Philemon's and smiled. (I know I can also insert a long "list" of many other names of precious ones as well. "I have much regret and tears for not seeing and appreciating in the midst, but...)
I have seen other letters like this one...and I have been there.
"baxter"
beware of http://www.jesuslifetogether.com
http://www.allathisfeet.com
http://www.revolutiondancing.com
http://www.hisemptygrave.com
http://www.heavenreigns.com
http://www.godthots.com
http://www.housechurch.com
http://www.hiswounds.com/
http://www.ekklesialife.com/
http://www.ekklesiachurchlife.com/
http://www.realglobalwarming.com/
http://www.homechurchmovement.com/
http://www.indianapoliscult.org
and the others out there that have Mike Peters' paw prints on them. |
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scannyd
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| The other thing that gets me is how this disfellowshiped individual obviously worships Mike,et al instead of God. This is the underlying issue with so much of what is going on there. Just like any other cult leader Mike takes the place of God. Disgusting. |
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"baxter"
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New-n-faith
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| I am sorry to say but Mike response is quite idiotic, he doesnt really address the Jake real question. I find Mike responses normally evasive and deceptive. Lets pray for Mike soul, I am sure he is in some serious trouble with God |
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Paulfromny
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WOW, I see much accussation pointed at this group, but I hear the truth spoken in their defense. We in western New York received their literature approximately 4 years ago and are greatly challenged into Christ by their testimony. Adam defends that old nature, but the mind of Christ obeys GOD.
My only comment to them is I wish they were more involved in the establishment of overcoming through Jesus in other local assemblies of believers. We're very immature in the regard here in WNY, but we do know the truth and self justification when we hear it. |
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"baxter"
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Paulfromny
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Posted - 06/28/2010 : 11:14:44 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by "baxter"
"Paulfromny Posted - 06/27/2010 : 12:28:01 PM
WOW, I see much accussation pointed at this group, but I hear the truth spoken in their defense. We in western New York received their literature approximately 4 years ago and are greatly challenged into Christ by their testimony. Adam defends that old nature, but the mind of Christ obeys GOD.
My only comment to them is I wish they were more involved in the establishment of overcoming through Jesus in other local assemblies of believers. We're very immature in the regard here in WNY, but we do know the truth and self justification when we hear it."
Is the above more fruit of typical Indy judgment?
"baxter"
No, it's an effort to look at all this infromation from an unbiased and balanced perspective. I'm seeing human happiness as the core motive to much of the opposition, yet is the opposition revealing false motives, or is it speculation regarding a genuine move of believers to draw near to one another as is the reality in Christ Jesus? |
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"baxter"
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danrepent
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 12:20:54 AM
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Paul,
Not sure what you are saying, but think about this. You claim to be immature, but you know how to discern. Which one is it? You can't claim to be a little baby innocent Christian and then leap to conclusions that this site is carnal and of "Adam".
I'm going to assume you are immature and don't understand what you are talking about because of ignorance. I think all of us here have been ignorant concerning Mike and his teachings. All I ask is that you look deep into the meaning of his words and compare that to our Heavily Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. That is the only way you will see the truth here. Paul we are all biased, some more than others, but what unites us and makes us complete is the truth. Please no more fancy words and phrases that don't make sense, just plain english will be fine from this point on. |
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Paulfromny
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Our efforts to be family here in WNY are immature was what I said. I suppose it useless to try and say who is discerning from the mind of Christ, and who from themselves. Let's just examine some issues as best we can.
As regarding the stature of Mike Peters among CII brethern, all I can say is that if someone putforth the required effort to bring into realization a true family life in Christ I would esteem him very highly in love for sure.
Galatians 4:15,16 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if [it had been] possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me. Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
I find the literature put out by CII not only revelatory, but more importantly greatly encouraging into the faith of our Lord Jesus. So while reading the posts here my bias is currently in the CII corner.
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"baxter"
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Paulfromny
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 01:07:53 AM
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| Baxter, please understand that I have been deeply blessed by all the literature put out by CII. I read every post presented here, and saw nothing which would change my opinion/bias twords Mike Peters/CII. So I began expressing that as best I could, which admittedly is somewhat vague, and raw. It's extra hard when you cannot seek these things out face to face. Patience is conerstone when seeking truth from differing perspectives. It will be difficult to proceed according to Ephesians 4:15 in a forum. |
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Paulfromny
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 01:11:08 AM
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| I am obviously unequipped to speak on the personal issues involved. I would be speculating for sure, and will do so only if you give the green light. |
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Paulfromny
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Posted - 06/29/2010 : 01:17:56 AM
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| It's been a blessing if it's accurate in it's assessment of things. |
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